0:00:00.8 Louie Marven: Welcome to Resource on the Go, a podcast from the National Sexual Violence Resource Center on understanding, responding to, and preventing sexual abuse and assault. I'm Louie Marven, and I'm a project coordinator at the NSVRC.

0:00:13.7 LM: Today's episode is part of a series on housing for prevention, that we co-created with the National Resource Center on Domestic Violence. Our organizations collaborate on an initiative that supports advocates in meeting the housing needs of survivors, and in reflecting on that work together, we became eager to talk about the ways that housing is also a tool for preventing violence.

0:00:36.0 LM: Today we're re-posting an episode from our friends at Valor. They recently published a podcast called Housing Justice as Prevention on their podcast channel, PreventConnect, and it was part of their series previewing workshops at the National Sexual Assault Conference.

0:00:50.0 LM: This episode features Janae Sargent and Ashleigh Klein-Jimenez from Valor, talking with Gabby Boyle, a prevention specialist with the Sexual Trauma & Abuse Care Center in Lawrence, Kansas.

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0:01:23.9 Janae Sargent: So Gabby, tell us a little bit about the session you're hosting at the National Sexual Assault Conference this year? 

0:01:33.2 Gabby Boyle: Yeah, absolutely. So my session is titled, Housing Justice is Violence Prevention, and it is focusing on the way that prevention specialists, preventionists, sexual violence organizations, anti-violence organizations in general, can plug into doing systems-based housing work.

0:01:54.8 GB: I think that that is something that a lot of folks don't necessarily feel comfortable getting their feet wet in, so I'm hoping that I can kind of break it down and make it more accessible to people.

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0:02:09.3 JS: You're listening to PreventConnect, the podcast bringing together voices from across the movement to end gender and power-based violence, to give you the tools to practice primary prevention in your daily life and at work.

0:02:21.6 JS: We're highlighting emerging research, promising strategies, and stories from on the ground prevention practitioners doing this work in new and innovative ways, bringing you topics like foundational strategies to prevent violence, primary prevention and youth engagement, Critical Race Theory and school climates, prevention in a digital age, and more.

0:02:45.9 JS: I'm your host, Janae Sargent, and this is PreventConnect.

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0:03:01.6 Ashleigh Klein-Jimenez: So from what I know, the little bit of research that I did on your organization, it looks like you all are a local organization in Kansas. And so I'm just wondering if you could tell us a little bit about how you all came to take on housing justice as a sexual violence prevention strategy? What did that look like organizationally? 

0:03:26.7 GB: Totally. So in 2018, we started to convene the Sexual Violence Prevention Work Group, which is like an RPE Coalition, and part of that process of starting that up was running a needs assessment in our community to evaluate what risk and protective factors were the most prevalent.

0:03:50.3 GB: And one of the things that came out of that assessment was housing, and for a while, for a couple of years, it felt really hard to engage with that strategy. That's a really big topic. As a sexual violence organization, there's always this feeling when you're doing systems-based prevention work, that there's mission drift happening.

0:04:16.0 GB: But as 2021 COVID-19 started rolling around, the community conversations about housing became really hard to ignore, and the community conversation about the connection between housing and interpersonal violence was of particular intensity in my organization.

0:04:36.8 GB: We were seeing a lot of clients that were having issues. Like having their trauma exacerbated by housing or who couldn't leave unsafe situations, or folks who were experiencing chronic houseless-ness. We started to notice that a lot more as COVID-19 began to destabilize everything.

0:05:02.1 GB: And so I started to connect with housing stakeholders and bring them into this coalition, because that felt like a conversation I couldn't have alone, it's not really my area of expertise.

0:05:15.6 GB: And from there it just kind of snowballed into a lot of those housing providers felt like they were in spaces where they couldn't speak or plan or strategize freely.

0:05:27.3 GB: And so this sexual violence prevention work group, this coalition, kinda became a space where we weren't tethered to something like head funding or we weren't tethered to their organization specifically, so they could really directly talk about what they were seeing and what solutions they wanted.

0:05:45.7 GB: And that's sort of, like you said, it just kind of snowballed from there into feeling like, "Okay, this is the strategy, this is the risk factor that is the most potent for both our clients and these community stakeholders. Let's just dive in." [chuckle]

0:06:02.5 JS: I really appreciate that you added a four-year process of taking on housing work, because housing is such a huge and important and daunting issue to take on. You have to try to understand housing staff.

0:06:17.6 JS: I think the vast majority of people would say, "Yes, we have a housing problem." I'll speak for myself, when someone says, "What do we do about the housing problem?" and I'm like, "I don't know. What do we do about the housing problem?"

0:06:29.4 JS: And I think in our movement, in the movement to end sexual violence, we have always talked about housing within a crisis intervention context. Emergency shelters, one night hotel stays. After violence has happened, how do you remove someone, how do you make sure that they can keep their residents. And that's really important.

0:06:50.8 JS: And what I really appreciated about your proposal to NSAC is more of the prevention lens of it, and how stable housing contributes to safer communities.

0:07:04.5 JS: I grew up, I didn't have stable housing, and neither did a lot of people around me, and so I saw those connections experientially of how unstable housing contributes to risk factors, or why someone might be more likely to perpetrate or experience violence, but as a movement, as far as what we do, I feel like that's still something that we're grappling with.

0:07:33.3 JS: So I'm wondering about you individually, is housing, especially from the prevention end of it, something that you've always been passionate about? Or when did you make that connection for yourself? 

0:07:43.8 GB: So I come to this work from the animal welfare world. I was working in our local Humane Society for a few years prior to transitioning to this position, and I handled intakes, animal surrender, stray animals, community support programs like low-cost veterinary care.

0:08:08.0 GB: And it was really hard. It was really sad. As an animal lover, it was really hard just to see people having to surrender this, like a member of their family, an animal that they love, that they care about.

0:08:24.0 GB: And the biggest reason that that was happening was a lack of pet-friendly housing or a lack of affordable housing. Folks were moving into apartment complexes that didn't allow their animal to live there with them, or they were experiencing houseless-ness or change in housing where they felt like it wasn't safe to keep their animal with them.

0:08:45.8 GB: And so part of the reason why I transitioned to this work was because it really was like, yeah, felt like I was just constantly, like you said, dealing with that individual emergency intervention level in that setting, and I wanted to think more about how we can be preventative.

0:09:00.4 GB: So when I came to this position, I was really excited to see that. I mean, not excited. Obviously, no one wants to see that their community is in a housing crisis, but I was excited to see that that was one of the risk factors that the work group and that community needs assessment had identified as something that they really wanted to work on.

0:09:17.9 GB: Because I was like, "Yes. I have spent a few years seeing the impact of this on families, on individuals, on animals, on the community at large. I'm ready to dive in."

0:09:33.1 GB: So that was... And I'm a renter myself, so it's hard to be a renter, particularly in communities where there isn't a lot of affordable renting, where there are a lot of barriers to renting, so I had had some first-hand experience with that, in addition to seeing the more, I guess social welfare side of things at the Humane Society.

0:09:55.3 AK: Thank you so much, Gabby. It's so interesting that you, where you started and how your trajectory has played out. And I just have to pause and just say, Janae and I are both animal lovers, so you're in good company. [chuckle]

0:10:11.9 AK: But I also... So my spouse works in the veterinary field, and for years they have told me so many stories of seeing, knowing that some of the animals that have been brought in, there's an intimate partner violence dynamic happening, where like an animal is trying to protect their owner, their person, and is caught up in that violence.

0:10:40.6 AK: And so it's really interesting that whole animal welfare world, the veterinary world, I always feel like there's some opportunities there for implementation of trying to intervene and support survivors. So anyways, that's just a side note.

0:10:57.6 AK: So Gabby, you mentioned that this work is part of the RPE work happening in your state, and that's really exciting. We have lots of RPE funded prevention practitioners.

0:11:14.9 AK: And so I think one thing that happens a lot, and me included, is I totally see the connection to housing justice and violence prevention. I'm so on board. I get it, I love it. And then I'm also like, "Well, what does that look like for a local sexual assault organization?"

0:11:33.5 AK: So what does your housing justice work look like? Can you give us some examples? 

0:11:40.1 GB: Yeah, absolutely. So I think that that is a feeling that I had at the beginning of this work and still continue to have, so if folks out there resonate with that, know that you're not alone.

0:11:52.0 GB: The RPE program, at least the way that my organization operates it, is it's really flexible. There's a lot of room for creativity, for experimentation, for growth.

0:12:03.6 GB: And so basically what I started to do was just use the time in my time budget, I guess, use my time that was funded by RPE to start researching housing and bringing that back to the coalition and asking, "Do any of the solutions or does any of this research resonate with you?"

0:12:28.4 GB: I was using my time in the early to middle stages of doing this work also to bolster ongoing housing efforts. For instance, aggregating all of this different information that we have locally about what the housing crisis looks like, and putting it in a centralized place for stakeholders.

0:12:48.6 GB: That's something that a lot of people working in housing don't necessarily have the time to do, but because I was sort of outside of the housing service provider world, but still connected, I could kind of use my time really strategically. Again, to ask the question like, "Okay, what would be useful?" And then to begin to bring that information together.

0:13:08.5 GB: And the result of all of that research and data aggregation and information aggregation was identifying that, this was mentioned earlier in the podcast, this issue goes so much deeper than just a emergency sheltering, than just intervention. And we really needed to look at policy that addressed the barriers that people were experiencing when it came to finding housing.

0:13:31.0 GB: So in Lawrence, over half of our community rent their housing, and we see the most significant amount of economic burden on renters. So that kind of narrowed down our scope in terms of thinking about, "Okay, we want to look at tenant issues."

0:13:50.7 GB: And from there, we were identifying what again, are the barriers to finding housing, and through our research and through my conversations with housing stakeholders, we discovered that there was a significant bottle-necking of our housing choice voucher program.

0:14:09.0 GB: It was very hard to find landlords that were accepting housing choice vouchers. We have a two to three-year wait list for receiving housing choice vouchers.

0:14:19.9 GB: And then in addition to that, we were experiencing a lot of larger apartment complexes being purchased by new management who were refusing to take vouchers, so former people who were housed were now facing... They have to move because new management isn't going to accept the income that they're providing to pay rent.

0:14:43.1 GB: And so yeah, that's sort of, like that conversation that we were having with housing stakeholders, again, kind of... It was like a process of narrowing, being like, "Okay, we're working on housing. Okay, we're working on renters. Okay, we're working specifically on housing chose voucher issues and emergency rental assistance acceptance. Okay, we're working on source of income discrimination protections."

0:15:03.7 GB: And that's really what we've been doing, is just again, continuing that data aggregation and data creation. We worked really hard to identify through calling landlords, like how many folks were accepting housing choice factors, how many folks were accepting emergency rental assistance, how many folks who work with somebody who had a prior eviction.

0:15:26.6 GB: Just creating that data so that we could really show to the community like, "Yes, this is an issue. This is an issue that is affecting X amount of people." Bringing that to not just the community at large, but also to decision makers and to policy makers and really kind of...

0:15:41.3 GB: We can't lobby, but really strongly advocating like, "This is what the data is showing. I've spent 80 hours creating this spreadsheet that really clearly demonstrates this is a problem that we can actually create a solution for."

0:15:58.6 GB: And then since that ordinance passed in February, and since then, I've really been working on using the RPE funding and the time that it allows me to bolster grassroots movements.

0:16:11.6 GB: So we have kind of a new tenant organization, like grassroots tenant organization in Lawrence, and so I was able to use some of the RPE funding to get them connected to a community organizing training, to sort of help them and their members learn some concrete skills that they can use.

0:16:31.4 GB: So that hopefully I can I hand off that advocacy torch to the community, instead of holding it at my organization forever.

0:16:40.0 AK: Wow, Gabby. Thank you for walking us through that and giving us those examples in the concrete ways that you are engaged in this work. There are so many nuggets in what you said that I'm like, we should just have a whole conversation about that piece and that piece and that piece.

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0:16:56.8 AK: But I think one thing that really stands out to me is, I think when violence preventionists are wanting to work on these more community-level issues that we may have not historically been a part of it, that the ability for you to use your time to collect data to create a database, that must have gone a long way in the relationship building.

0:17:25.2 AK: Because you are bringing something to this work that they, like you said, they don't have time to do. And so I think sometimes we got tunnel vision that what we can do is we can educate people about sexual violence, and really maybe the best use of our time is to actually support the efforts that are already happening in creative ways that we actually have time to do.

0:17:53.3 AK: So I just, that piece really stood out to me. I want you to come on a web conference.

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0:18:00.0 AK: Talk more about your work, 'cause it's really... It's fabulous.

0:18:04.6 GB: Thank you.

0:18:05.8 JS: I agree. And yeah, how powerful is it that you're bringing all of the skills and the tools that you already have within sexual violence prevention to housing justice. I think in our minds, we have this, we have to learn this whole other thing, we have to do this whole other thing.

0:18:21.4 JS: But preventionists have a pretty rad skill set. My skill building in this work has been so different than any career that I had a career before this, and I feel like I'm equipped to do so many things. I'm like, "Put me in a seat, set me loose and I'll do the thing."

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0:18:38.6 JS: And I think that requires a big shift for people, right? Because we have all of these skills, but we're really working in our silos right now still.

0:18:48.2 JS: You're doing this amazing work and it's making a difference. Why... In your opinion, why do you think that more preventionists are not doing that right now? And what can we do to bring them along into that shift? 

0:19:05.8 JS: Because today, I mean you said it, we have to be working on housing justice. We cannot be talking about safe communities in 2023 and not be talking about housing.

0:19:19.6 GB: Yeah, absolutely. I think, like we talked about it a little bit earlier, it just feels so hard to even find a foothold in the work of housing. It is a huge problem. It is a 1000-piece puzzle. There is so much going on.

0:19:39.1 GB: And also, again, to really make a sustainable change, you have to start working in policy, which a lot of prevention specialists may already be doing, like policy relating specifically to sexual violence, but they may not necessarily feel comfortable taking those skills and applying them to something like considering policy changes for housing. I think that it is very intimidating to just dive in.

0:20:06.4 GB: And again, I also think that it's almost impossible to do this work if you are also having to do crisis intervention at the same time. So I'm really privileged in that at my organization I only do RPE work, and then community education, consent education. I don't do any direct service.

0:20:30.9 GB: And it's a privilege because I can compartmentalize in my brain like, "Okay, I'm working on housing in a way that is kind of abstractly connected to violence, that I know eventually is going to impact violence, but in the short term is not... It's not intervention, it's not crisis intervention. It's not helping the survivors that I'm talking to every day.

0:20:55.9 GB: And so I think that that's one reason as well as that kind of creating that space in your brain to step away from direct service, to step away from advocacy, to step away from intervention and to kind of think more deliberately, more slowly, more carefully about the big picture. A lot of people unfortunately don't have the space in their position to do that.

0:21:19.8 GB: As a side note, a lot of folks feel like they can't engage in policy work because so many federal and state funding prevents lobbying or prohibits lobbying. And that was something that I was really trepidatious about. I was like, "Oh my god, I'm gonna lose my job." I'm researching policies and presenting this information to decision makers.

0:21:42.5 GB: So I think it's really useful also to have frank conversations with grant officers about where that line falls for the grant, and what activities someone can and can't engage in when it comes to policy work, in addition to familiarizing yourself on your own time with what that line looks.

0:22:01.0 GB: There's an organization called Bolder Advocacy that has a lot of really great resources.

0:22:07.8 AK: Love them.

0:22:08.8 GB: Yes, they're wonderful. They were like... Like I said, when I first started doing this, I was like, "I'm gonna lose my job." But I didn't. And my grant officer was super supportive and Bolder just having those resources of being like, "Okay, like what I'm doing is allowable. It's not mission drift. It is connected to sexual violence. And I'm not gonna have a bunch of funding withdrawn for it," was really useful.

0:22:30.9 JS: People, when they think about policy, they're like, "I'm going to the state, I'm going to the capital and I'm lobbying for a thing." Policy is also organizational policy, it's also your city council's five-year plan. So many things are policy.

0:22:49.3 JS: Sometimes it bums me out that we have just like this big umbrella bucket term, because it's zero or 100, right? Like policy means AB 2930, and I'm doing this whole thing around it. But it's not.

0:23:03.6 JS: And I think maybe we need to work on our terminology around policy too, because I think the vast majority of people that I talk to would not think that going to their city council or their County Board of Supervisors and talking about housing is bad. They just don't know that's what we're talking about.

0:23:23.1 GB: Like you're saying, it's not just going to the state, it's not like really hardcore like doing policy briefs, it's literally just building relationships with stakeholders in your community that have influence.

0:23:35.6 GB: And when it comes to things like, for instance, a city's strategic plan, generally sexual violence organizations are not included in those conversations, because people have such a hard time making the link between things like economic justice, housing justice, education justice, which are often included in five-year plans for cities and counties. People have a really hard time making a link between those types of justice and then violence prevention.

0:24:00.7 GB: So a big part of policy work is just kind of elbowing your way into those spaces and being like, "We deserve to be here." We actually, we have this issue that connects to everything else, whether that be healthcare, whether that be education, whether that be housing, whether that be animal welfare.

0:24:18.1 GB: We have a space and a voice and information that is valuable and necessary to create a comprehensive plan or a comprehensive strategy for cities.

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0:25:09.7 AK: So Gabby, we don't wanna give too much away about your session. [chuckle] We would love to just have you tell us everything that you're going to talk about, but we want... The point of this is we want people to be really excited and look forward to actually being able to attend your session.

0:25:31.5 AK: But just a question about it. What are you hoping that people take away from your session at the National Sexual Assault Conference? 

0:25:39.6 GB: I hope that people take away a feeling of hopefulness and optimism. When you're doing systems-based work, whether that's in housing or really any other community systems-level risk factor, it sucks. It's easy to burn out, it's really easy to kind of get just overwhelmed with all of the work that needs to happen.

0:26:07.1 GB: It's really easy to experience that second hand vicarious trauma of seeing the way that all of these systems interact to cause harm to people. It's really hard.

0:26:16.0 GB: And I hope that when people leave my session, they have a sense of, "Okay, if this just one random person, who has no background in any of this, was able to do this work, was able to build these relationships in Kansas," which, famously a state that is not very open to change, that they can see that they can either replicate the work that we're doing or figure out how to replicate the process and make it work for their community.

0:26:45.4 GB: I really want people to feel that optimism and that hope and that sense of like, again, this is a conversation that we have something to contribute to, and this is a space that we have a connection to.

0:27:00.7 GB: And honestly, this sounds kind of like grand, but a responsibility too. We have a responsibility as people working in violence prevention to also be working in spaces such as housing justice.

0:27:11.6 GB: So I hope people like me also, I hope they think I'm cool at the end. [chuckle] But that's secondary to hoping that they feel empowered to make a change.

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0:27:22.5 JS: No, that's a real... That is a thing. Especially working virtually. There's something about conferences in this field specifically. Every time I go to a conference, especially when I've done a session at a conference, I'm like, "Best outfit, like how can I... Who am I trying to be? How are people gonna take me?"

0:27:44.7 JS: And I'm already feeling nervous about that, which is hilarious because it's a month away. So that's very real. I just wanna validate. I already think you're cool. I will stand in the back of your session with a sign that says like, "Gabby rocks".

0:28:01.6 AK: Perfect.

0:28:03.5 JS: If that's okay? 

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0:28:03.6 AK: Perfect.

0:28:04.4 GB: Yeah, I think that... I mean, on the outfit planning, I'm already like, "Oh my god."

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0:28:10.0 GB: Like, "What am I gonna wear?" I work from home, all of my clothes are like sweat shorts and like, you know? Yeah. So like I said, not as important as hoping people feel empowered to make a change, but still personally important.

0:28:28.4 AK: Absolutely. We have to show up as our whole selves and that is part of it. And okay, before COVID, I used to travel a lot and go to lots of conferences, and my best advice is to find your power color and build your week wardrobe around that. Yeah, so I'm big on power colors.

0:28:50.2 GB: Okay, okay. I feel like... This might resonate with you, Ashleigh. I grew up and lived in in rural spaces for most of my life, so my power color is like Carhartt brown.

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0:29:02.0 GB: And I'm just imagine wearing coveralls every day of the week.

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0:29:08.6 AK: Oh my gosh, Gabby. I will bring mine and we can be twinning. We can be twinning in our Carhartt drawls.

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0:29:17.0 AK: That's so funny, I love it.

0:29:21.6 JS: That's a great point too, because I feel my best self in my Carhartts and a white high neck tank top, and that's not something... And like a carabiner on my belt loop.

0:29:32.4 JS: If you were to say, "Dress your coolest to make an impact," that's what I would wear. Is that what I can wear to NSAC? I don't know. Actually, you tell me. Probably not. Maybe after hours. Probably just walking through with my Carhartts and be like, "This is me." Yeah.

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0:29:47.8 JS: Because just my whole professional style, it's like a whole thing. And you're like, "Who am I?" You're standing in the middle of a Banana Republic with your $30, that you're like, "What's on the clearance rack? Like, who am I?"

0:30:03.4 GB: Okay.

0:30:04.8 JS: Anyway. Well, speaking of NSAC and the broader culture of NSAC and people connecting, as a person who's just attending and hosting a session, what is a conversation that you would like to see or hear people having at NSAC this year? 

0:30:23.8 JS: Whether that's related to your session, the overall theme, Equity in Action, or just what we should be talking about right now.

0:30:33.1 GB: Totally. That's a great question and I have so many answers. To give this conversation a break from housing justice, something that I would really like to see being talked about or being tackled in this space, is how we can make consent education more based in power awareness, in power analysis, for all ages.

0:31:01.5 GB: I think that the more that I do and sent education with teenagers, with adults, the more I realize that it's not enough to just teach people how to practice consent, as important as that is.

0:31:17.3 GB: It's also really important to teach people how to think critically about relationships of power, and how to be aware of the way that that might affect the dynamic of practicing consent.

0:31:33.9 GB: And that in the way that all sexual violence prevention is connected, like that does connect somewhat to thinking about systems-based work, because so much of that is thinking about power.

0:31:45.1 GB: I mean, that's a puzzle that I've tried to wrap my brain around so many times, is like how do we take this issue of power, how do we make something like rape culture feel tangible to people who are not in this space, without totally losing buy-in? 

0:32:02.7 GB: I would love if people were having that conversation so that I could listen in and learn and take lessons back to Kansas.

0:32:10.2 AK: That's a great conversation, Gabby. We actually... I'm gonna send you a link. We did a web conference, it's been years now, but it was with an affirmative consent researcher, and her research is all tied into that.

0:32:27.7 AK: And it was super interesting and I just, I thought the conversation was great. So I'll send you a link to that if you wanna check it out or look her up.

0:32:36.0 JS: And podcast shouting out podcast, in our movement, New Mexico has a great podcast. I love their podcast, their coalition, and they... I think their last episode is with Sarah Ferrato from Ohio, talking about nuancing consent and bringing in those dynamics of power and not letting it be watered down to black and white.

0:33:00.7 JS: So I will put that link in the show notes and the web conference that Ashleigh mentioned in the show notes. And love you, New Mexico.

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0:33:13.1 AK: I love it. I also love New Mexico and their podcast. Thanks for bringing that up today. Alright, Gabby, so for folks that are really interested in the work that you're doing, folks to whether they will be at NSAC, but especially for folks who are not going to be joining us at NSAC this year, how can people get connected to your work? 

0:33:35.2 GB: Yeah, that is a great question. There are a couple of different angles here. So the first is that everyone and anyone can email me directly. I'm happy to set up a call, a Zoom or just share resources over email. If that is what is going to be useful to someone, I'm totally open to that.

0:33:56.6 GB: And the other thing that folks can do is, I mentioned earlier how part of the housing justice work that I'm pivoting to doing now is bolstering the work of grassroots organizers in my community.

0:34:11.4 GB: And I would encourage everyone to get connected with them. They have a pretty robust social media presence, and on Instagram and Facebook, and I think Twitter, their handle is @Lawrence Tenants.

0:34:30.6 GB: I'm trying to funnel as much, similar to how in the beginning I started finding my resources into supporting housing providers, now I'm really thinking about how I can support that community organizing effort with the resources that I have now. So I'm really plugged into that.

0:34:46.3 GB: And again, I think that that's something that a lot of prevention specialists are afraid to engage with, is community organizing grassroots, how do we connect us folks in the non-profit world.

0:34:54.9 GB: But yeah, I would encourage everyone to give them a follow, stay plugged in with them, as I'm pretty active in that space, both personally, but also in this weird professional like, "Here's some money, go do a training together."

0:35:09.8 GB: And then my email is gabby@stacarecenter.org. Folks can email me and I'm happy to chat.

0:35:19.4 AK: Thank you. I will link all of those. And we'll follow Lawrence Tenants right after this web conference via PreventConnect. Thank you so much, Gabby, for being here. For chatting with us. I am excited to see you at NSAC and see this session.

0:35:38.4 JS: Me too. Yeah, I am looking forward to it.

0:35:40.2 GB: I also am. I'm a little nervous. So again, we're just all gonna wear our dungarees. Get our cheerleading friends ready.

0:35:51.5 AK: Mm-hmm.

0:35:52.2 GB: I'll bring my guinea pigs, put them in the pocket, so like...

0:35:53.8 JS: Please. [chuckle]

0:35:56.4 GB: You know, like I'll support [0:35:56.5] ____.

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0:36:00.3 JS: Yes, yes. I love it so much.

0:36:02.5 GB: I'm super excited. It'll be really great to see everyone and meet everyone. I appreciate you all and your thoughtfulness with the questions. This was a really great conversation.

0:36:10.9 JS: Of course. Thank you.

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0:37:09.4 LM: Thanks for listening to this episode of Resource on the Go, and thank you to Valor for allowing us to share this conversation as part of our Housing for Prevention series.

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